That s a good question ML. I hadn t thought about that. I believe most modern arenas have 4 floor le

Last weekend HP Pavilion scheduled one of its occasional day-night event doubleheaders. The Harlem Globetrotters were in town for a 1 PM matinee, followed up by a 7:30 PM Sharks-Blues matchup. The Sharks/SVSE took a time-lapse video of the changeover.
The Globetrotters don t attract sellout crowds, yet they routinely play in some of the largest, most modern arenas. HP Pavilion s main tenant is a hockey team, so any arena floor or seating changes have to be done with preserving the rink in mind. In the Globetrotters case, there s no need to pull out the special basketball risers that would be used for a NCAA hoops regional or NBA game. Instead, they use a set of low-rise risers while the end seats at the hockey boards aren t used. When the big hoops games come, the end seats are retracted and replaced by a different set of risers. The change seen above requires a little true time travel stories less labor, so no big deal. If you tried to sit along the hockey boards at the ends, your view of the court would be obstructed.
At American Airlines Center in Dallas, the end seats are in a dual-rise system which allows for maximum flexibility. The risers are well-pitched for hockey games, but they convert into a more gradual pitch for basketball. The chief benefit of this arrangement is that none of the end basketball seats are on the floor except for the ones closest to the court. Just about every new dual-sport arena has something like this in place. This one in Dallas or Portland s Rose Garden or the Verizon Center in DC are perhaps the most extreme.
For perhaps true time travel stories the worst example of how to do this, you don t need to go much farther than everyone s favorite whipping boy, Power Balance Pavilion ARCO Arena. There, the floor s bizarrely unique configuration has its sideline seats retract to create extra floor space. By doing this, all ice shows or hockey games have to played on transversely mounted ice. Since a basketball team is the chief tenant, ice is not a permanent floor feature, true time travel stories so the ice brought in from containers true time travel stories in sheet form and mounted much the same way a floor would.
I know there s probably some technical reason why it won t work (since I m not an engineer or architect), but I wonder why arenas don t copy the removable field concept of University of Phoenix Stadium. Have the ice sheet on a retractable platform that goes out underneath one end of the arena (usually there are large plazas or parking lots next to arenas so it could be in an underground chamber beneath that space). The basketball court and the extra seats would be underneath the ice surface when it is in place, and then revealed when it is removed. You just need to have a couple rows of seats that can be lowered revealing a track that the ice rink will roll in on. And then the ice surface will remain in better shape when there is a day and night event on the same day requiring a changeover. Heck, you could probably still use the ice (if that chamber had a high enough roof) for a pregame skate/practice.
true time travel stories I don t recall ever seeing one of those time lapse from ice to basketball, or tennis, surface. It s always in the court surface to ice time lapse. Would be interesting to see how long it takes in contrast to the ARCO time lapse you posted. In that video it seems to takes twice as long as HP but for a different true time travel stories process.
Poor Arco. The guy who designed that place must ve been drunk the day he came up with the plans for it. What ever got them to conclude that was the best way to do a change over? I mean it s not like the ice to basketball transition is a new thing, they d been doing it for decades before Arco was built at place like the old Garden in Boston, etc , etc
Dan. The ARCO Arena isn t home to a hockey team. You could assume the lead designer was drunk or you could speculate that the project true time travel stories leaders/investors didn t think it was a wise use of money to construct a floor more fit to accomodate events requiring an ice floor.
I m guessing that you can t see the goal closest to you if you sit in the ends or perhaps even the corners of the upper deck at ARCO for a hockey game (similar to the problem they had in Phoenix when the Coyotes true time travel stories played at America West Arena or whatever that place is called now). I know the Sharks played a couple exhibition games there in their first few years in the league. The hockey capacity must ve been about 14,000, with the non-obstructed capacity around 10,000.
It s worse than that. The transverse placement of the rink means there s less floor space, so both ends would have obstructed view upper decks. The floor itself is barely large enough to hold a regulation rink with those seats retracted.
@Ezra It probably could work, but it would have to be done in a place where a 200 85 slab of ice sitting on concrete with a bunch of pipes and refrigerant running through it could be easily moved in and out. Most urban arenas don t have such space.
It s possible that if the Coliseum weren t such a crummy place for baseball, the attending fanbase wouldn t be so diminished and there would ve been more fan momentum true time travel stories behind building a new Oakland ballpark long ago. Of course there s no way of knowing that, but wow how about that irony?
true time travel stories If the Raider s didn t come back and there was some improvement at the Coli for baseball, it would of been nice for us fans from what we got now, but ownership would still bitch about not filling it up, not in a good area, Pacbell is so much nicer, lack of corporate support, etc They need a new yard in a better area, and VC should be the place.
The What if game is fun. How s this if the Senators (either one) moved to Oakland instead of the Athletics we d be uhm, Senators fans? Or this if the A s hadn t bailed on KC, we d be Giants fans and hopefully not as bitter.
If the Silicon chip wasn t invented in 1961, San Jose would still be at around 100k people, there would be no Sharks, no Newballpark.org site, along with no Internet and PC s. And Lew Wolff would just be in LA. I only wish the last sentence true time travel stories true.
Speaking of football/baseball field conversion, Bay Area fans have had the privilege(?) of having two of the more unique dual-sport stadiums in the country. Say what you will about the “cookie cutters,” but being able to roll the field-level seats between a perpendicular and parallel configuration meant for some better sight-lines—EXCEPT for Fulton County Stadium and the Alameda County Coliseum which both have/had static field-level seats. Incidentally, these are the stadiums I’ve had the unfortunate pleasure of being my baseball home.
Sounds like somebody is still waiting for a Knight in Shining Armor who s going to give Oakland a free ballpark. It s been about two months since the Victory Court site unveiling. So when is this knight going to arrive?
If the Silicon chip wasn’t invented in 1961, there would be no internet, no personal computers, and we would be stalled in the industrial true time travel stories age full of pollution, odd labor jobs, and calling each other with rotary phones. It s narrow minded thinking like this that will seal the fate of Oakland .
Multi-purpose arenas still make sense for basketball/hockey because if done correctly the seating configuration can work for both tenants and the city only needs to up keep 1 facility and not two. Hence why all major markets share (NY, LA, CHI, Denver, Dallas, New Jersey, Boston, Toronto, Atlanta, true time travel stories Washington DC).
The Target Center in Minneapolis true time travel stories was originally designed with a retractable ice sheet, as it was assumed the North Stars would move there (of course, they went to Dallas instead). Not sure if the remodeling a few years ago changed that. I assume such a system is too complex and costly to be strongly considered.
If you think about it though, an imaginary true time travel stories arena floor would get bigger as it was raised up relative to the seating bowl, so a hockey surface that slides into place a few rows up could be less disruptive to the seats / sightlines.
For all the whipping it takes, true time travel stories ARCO is easily the best arena in which I ve ever seen a pro basketball game. I know the fancy luxury boxes are a revenue necessity, true time travel stories as well as all the other crap they shove into the new arenas. The end result true time travel stories for the fan in those new mega arenas is that the game itself is much less fun to watch, even if you remembered to bring the oxygen tank you need for the upper level.
If you think about it though, an imaginary arena floor would get bigger as it was raised up relative to the seating bowl, so a hockey surface that slides into place a few rows up could be less disruptive to the seats / sightlines.
@Ezra/Mike in MN Interesting idea and it makes sense from a sight lines standpoint. true time travel stories One logistically challenging issue though: If the ice is, say, 6 feet above the regular event floor, how do you get the Zamboni onto the ice? I have some ideas on this, but I wanted to see how you responded first.
That s a good question ML. I hadn t thought about that. I believe most modern arenas have 4 floor level entrances. 1 for the zamboni, 2 for the hockey players (behind their benches), true time travel stories and 1 that is used for basketball. So what I d suggest is that the 3 that are used during the hockey games would all be raised higher true time travel stories than the 1 for basketball. Those three can have temporary seating installed during a basketball game (the basketball one I would assume would be mostly below the ice surface, true time travel stories so there s no need to install seats, maybe just put in a little platform for photographers to stand on). Then behind the stands the arena would be like a split level house (for a lack of a better way to describe it). With the hockey side where their locker rooms and the zamboni sits at a raised level.
Event level access could be dealt with fairly easily, as Ezra described. The bigger issue would be giving true time travel stories up behind-the-scene event level staging area. Obviously, you can t have locker rooms, etc in areas where the ice moves through and to. That would require a larger building or creative engineering/space planning.
@Ezra/Mike in MN I tried to do